Feel free to ignore this post. I am simply testing the new version of WP with the COinS generator plugin that I have been using.
One of the main things I checked after the upgrade was whether it was working. Past posts still showed the data and the draft of last week’s readings did, too. But having now just posted it I noticed that everything was stripped except for the post’s data. All of the book and article data was stripped out. Which is utterly unacceptable to me.
Perhaps it has to do with that post being written across the 2 versions. Sounds stupid to me, but who knows? So this is a fully native WP 2.5 post with some test COinS data.
Levy, N. (2007). Neuroethics. , 346. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Maxwell, R. L. (2008). FRBR: A Guide for the Perplexed. , 151. Chicago: American Library Association.
Richards, J. (2008). Rhetoric. , New critical idiom., 198. London: Routledge.
Shiga, J. (2007). Bookhunter. , 1. Portland, Or.: Sparkplug Comic Books.
Swift, J. (1996). Gulliver’s travels. (Unabridged [ed.].). Mineola N.Y.: Dover Publications.
Toolan, M. J. (1996). Total Speech: An Integrational Linguistic Approach to Language. , Post-contemporary interventions., 337. Durham, N.C: Duke University Press.
Wilson, P. (1968). Two Kinds of Power : an Essay on Bibliographical Control. , Librarianship., 155. Berkeley: University of California Press.
Doesn’t matter whether I drop COinS data in the visual or the so-called HTML editor, it is stripping it all out. Crap!
I really needed one more fucked up thing in my life right now! Thanks, WordPress!
OK, now I am confused. Is the span tag deprecated or not? Musciano and Kennedy claim that it is in HTML & XHTML: The Definitive Guide, 5th ed. (2002) but I can find nothing on the net that says so. In fact, lots of newer items say to use them to replace things done with deprecated and/or obsolete tags.
Also, WP has left in the spans being used to style the above entries but removed those with the COinS metadata. Clearly, WTF?
Anyone have any insight into this? Please comment here or email me.
For now I’m off the the WordPress and Zotero forums to see what I can find. BTW, I’m using the COinS Metadata Exporter 0.1
By the way, if you are reading this Walt, it is certainly screwing with even simple formatting—like paragraphs—in the HTML editor.
9 responses so far ↓
1 walt crawford // Apr 6, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Sorry about that. For me, it seems to be an improvement, partly because WP2.0.6 was really getting pretty bad about switching paragraph breaks to linebreaks–worse in long posts, which I (ahem) do from time to time.
For you? Apparently the other way around. No insights to offer…
2 Mark // Apr 6, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I was at v. 2.3 so I’m having a hard time remembering what was going on with 2.0.6. It does seem to be a small improvement–keeping in mind that I’ve done little work with 2.5 so far–but it was also hosing some of my paragraphs earlier.
I found an odd comment in the forums earlier about paragraphs in the new interface. Supposedly if you hit enter 2x it will put in paragraph tags. But why does it seemingly appear to put paragraphs in with a simple single enter? Are they really just 2 line breaks? Hard to tell with no tags displaying is my thought.
3 Mark // Apr 6, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Ah. I just realized I’m being somewhat silly and confused here. [I'll blame it on my Comcast issues.] The COinS Metadata Exporter 0.1 is working just fine. It only puts in the metadata for the post. I checked it by importing a post into Zotero and it’s fine.
But the additional COinS metadata is not. Before the newest version of Zotero I had to do it “by hand.” With the new version it was a simple drag-n-drop operation, even into the visual editor. I got some odd formatting but the metadata was there. And stayed there.
Now it is getting stripped out entirely.
Also as for the paragraphs being added if one hits the enter key 2x, well, I ain’t seeing it.
4 Karin Dalziel // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:25 am
Be sure to post about what you find out. I have not upgraded yet- I think I will wait for a bit…
5 Mark // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:59 am
Karin, I sure will.
I poked around in the Zotero forums yesterday and I can’t find anything that looks like this issue. I may have to register and make a posting myself.
There was a posting that seems related and I need to try it again before I bother them, though.
6 Mark // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:17 am
OK, just posted to the Zotero forums:
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/
7 Mark // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:04 am
Well, I quickly got a response which seems to work, but it is a sad little workaround for something that worked fine just days ago.
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/#Comment_11347
I asked another question re whether I can repair my HTML export to do this automatically.
I also have some concern since I get a translator failure from the main page. Maybe once only “new” entries are on the main page it won’t happen. But only time will tell there.
8 Karin Dalziel // Apr 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Thanks, Mark. I hope this is addressed with the WP people. I really hate that the “HTML” view changes code and second guesses what I want to put there. 2.3 was bad enough, 2.5 sounds even worse.
9 Mark // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I do think Zotero will at least see about “fixing” it. The person responding to me said they had put in a ticket to address it as it was probably going to be a general complaint.
The issue is that Zotero is exporting empty span tags for the COinS data. That is, all the metadata goes in the opening span as it’s supposed to, but there is nothing between it and the closing span tag.
Some software strips any so-called “empty” span tags out. WP did not do this before but it is now. The workaround is to put a non-breaking space in between the opening and closing span tags. But that is clearly a pain.
The other issue as I see it, and this is a WP issue is that if you drag ‘n’ drop into the visual editor it strips out the COinS spans immediately. So you have to switch to so-called HTML editor mode before you drag ‘n’ drop and then you’ll get a chance to add the non-breaking space before saving.
Before I upgraded I just dropped the darn thing right in the visual editor without any problems.
I think as Walt says that 2.5 might be better in some ways but I’m not sure it is that much better. Of course, I was a couple versions ahead of him so maybe he is seeing more improvement.
I’m just pissed that I waited several days and read a few reviews and people’s upgrade stories. One of the big features touted was the HTML editor was replaced by the Tiny MCE editor which is supposedly–based on what I read–really good.
But I have serious issues with any editor not showing paragraphs or line breaks being called an HTML editor. Quasi-HTML editor maybe. As I see it, any quality HTML editor will show me all of my markup.