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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16796</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think Zotero will at least see about &quot;fixing&quot; it. The person responding to me said they had put in a ticket to address it as it was probably going to be a general complaint.

The issue is that Zotero is exporting empty span tags for the COinS data. That is, all the metadata goes in the opening span as it&#039;s supposed to, but there is nothing between it and the closing span tag.

Some software strips any so-called &quot;empty&quot; span tags out. WP did &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; do this before but it is now.  The workaround is to put a non-breaking space in between the opening and closing span tags. But that is clearly a pain.

The other issue as I see it, and this &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a WP issue is that if you drag &#039;n&#039; drop into the visual editor it strips out the COinS spans immediately. So you have to switch to so-called HTML editor mode before you drag &#039;n&#039; drop and then you&#039;ll get a chance to add the non-breaking space before saving.

Before I upgraded I just dropped the darn thing right in the visual editor without any problems.

I think as Walt says that 2.5 might be better in some ways but I&#039;m not sure it is that much better.  Of course, I was a couple versions ahead of him so maybe he is seeing more improvement.

I&#039;m just pissed that I waited several days and read a few reviews and people&#039;s upgrade stories. One of the big features touted was the HTML editor was replaced  by the Tiny MCE editor which is supposedly--based on what I read--really good.

But I have serious issues with any editor not showing paragraphs or line breaks being called an HTML editor. Quasi-HTML editor maybe. As I see it, any quality HTML editor will show me all of my markup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think Zotero will at least see about &#8220;fixing&#8221; it. The person responding to me said they had put in a ticket to address it as it was probably going to be a general complaint.</p>
<p>The issue is that Zotero is exporting empty span tags for the COinS data. That is, all the metadata goes in the opening span as it&#8217;s supposed to, but there is nothing between it and the closing span tag.</p>
<p>Some software strips any so-called &#8220;empty&#8221; span tags out. WP did <strong>not</strong> do this before but it is now.  The workaround is to put a non-breaking space in between the opening and closing span tags. But that is clearly a pain.</p>
<p>The other issue as I see it, and this <em>is</em> a WP issue is that if you drag &#8216;n&#8217; drop into the visual editor it strips out the COinS spans immediately. So you have to switch to so-called HTML editor mode before you drag &#8216;n&#8217; drop and then you&#8217;ll get a chance to add the non-breaking space before saving.</p>
<p>Before I upgraded I just dropped the darn thing right in the visual editor without any problems.</p>
<p>I think as Walt says that 2.5 might be better in some ways but I&#8217;m not sure it is that much better.  Of course, I was a couple versions ahead of him so maybe he is seeing more improvement.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just pissed that I waited several days and read a few reviews and people&#8217;s upgrade stories. One of the big features touted was the HTML editor was replaced  by the Tiny MCE editor which is supposedly&#8211;based on what I read&#8211;really good.</p>
<p>But I have serious issues with any editor not showing paragraphs or line breaks being called an HTML editor. Quasi-HTML editor maybe. As I see it, any quality HTML editor will show me all of my markup.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin Dalziel</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16790</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin Dalziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark. I hope this is addressed with the WP people. I really hate that the &quot;HTML&quot; view changes code and second guesses what I want to put there. 2.3 was bad enough, 2.5 sounds even worse. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark. I hope this is addressed with the WP people. I really hate that the &#8220;HTML&#8221; view changes code and second guesses what I want to put there. 2.3 was bad enough, 2.5 sounds even worse. <img src='http://marklindner.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16789</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,  I quickly got a response which seems to work, but it is a sad little workaround for something that worked fine just days ago.

http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/#Comment_11347

I asked another question re whether I can repair my HTML export to do this automatically.

I also have some concern since I get a translator failure from the main page.  Maybe once only &quot;new&quot; entries are on the main page it won&#039;t happen.  But only time will tell there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  I quickly got a response which seems to work, but it is a sad little workaround for something that worked fine just days ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/#Comment_11347" rel="nofollow">http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/#Comment_11347</a></p>
<p>I asked another question re whether I can repair my HTML export to do this automatically.</p>
<p>I also have some concern since I get a translator failure from the main page.  Maybe once only &#8220;new&#8221; entries are on the main page it won&#8217;t happen.  But only time will tell there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16787</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, just posted to the Zotero forums:

http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, just posted to the Zotero forums:</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/2645/wordpress-25-stripping-coins-from-drag-n-drop-exporting/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16786</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karin, I sure will.  

I poked around in the Zotero forums yesterday and I can&#039;t find anything that looks like this issue.  I may have to register and make a posting myself.

There was a posting that seems related and I need to try it again before I bother them, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karin, I sure will.  </p>
<p>I poked around in the Zotero forums yesterday and I can&#8217;t find anything that looks like this issue.  I may have to register and make a posting myself.</p>
<p>There was a posting that seems related and I need to try it again before I bother them, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin Dalziel</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16785</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin Dalziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to post about what you find out. I have not upgraded yet- I think I will wait for a bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to post about what you find out. I have not upgraded yet- I think I will wait for a bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16768</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. I just realized I&#039;m being somewhat silly and confused here. [I&#039;ll blame it on my Comcast issues.]  The COinS Metadata Exporter 0.1 is working just fine. It only puts in the metadata for the post. I checked it by importing a post into Zotero and it&#039;s fine.

But the additional COinS metadata is not. Before the newest version of Zotero I had to do it &quot;by hand.&quot; With the new version it was a simple drag-n-drop operation, even into the visual editor. I got some odd formatting but the metadata was there. And stayed there.

Now it is getting stripped out entirely.

Also as for the paragraphs being added if one hits the enter key 2x, well, I ain&#039;t seeing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I just realized I&#8217;m being somewhat silly and confused here. [I'll blame it on my Comcast issues.]  The COinS Metadata Exporter 0.1 is working just fine. It only puts in the metadata for the post. I checked it by importing a post into Zotero and it&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>But the additional COinS metadata is not. Before the newest version of Zotero I had to do it &#8220;by hand.&#8221; With the new version it was a simple drag-n-drop operation, even into the visual editor. I got some odd formatting but the metadata was there. And stayed there.</p>
<p>Now it is getting stripped out entirely.</p>
<p>Also as for the paragraphs being added if one hits the enter key 2x, well, I ain&#8217;t seeing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at v. 2.3 so I&#039;m having a hard time remembering what was going on with 2.0.6. It does seem to be a small improvement--keeping in mind that I&#039;ve done little work with 2.5 so far--but it was also hosing some of my paragraphs earlier.

I found an odd comment in the forums earlier about paragraphs in the new interface. Supposedly if you hit enter 2x it will put in paragraph tags. But why does it seemingly appear to put paragraphs in with a simple single enter? Are they really just 2 line breaks? Hard to tell with no tags displaying is my thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at v. 2.3 so I&#8217;m having a hard time remembering what was going on with 2.0.6. It does seem to be a small improvement&#8211;keeping in mind that I&#8217;ve done little work with 2.5 so far&#8211;but it was also hosing some of my paragraphs earlier.</p>
<p>I found an odd comment in the forums earlier about paragraphs in the new interface. Supposedly if you hit enter 2x it will put in paragraph tags. But why does it seemingly appear to put paragraphs in with a simple single enter? Are they really just 2 line breaks? Hard to tell with no tags displaying is my thought.</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
		<link>http://marklindner.info/blog/2008/04/06/test-post-re-wp-25-and-coins-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-16765</link>
		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that. For me, it seems to be an improvement, partly because WP2.0.6 was really getting pretty bad about switching paragraph breaks to linebreaks--worse in long posts, which I (ahem) do from time to time. 

For you? Apparently the other way around. No insights to offer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that. For me, it seems to be an improvement, partly because WP2.0.6 was really getting pretty bad about switching paragraph breaks to linebreaks&#8211;worse in long posts, which I (ahem) do from time to time. </p>
<p>For you? Apparently the other way around. No insights to offer&#8230;</p>
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